Curse

Robin Hood Uk · May 27, 2010, 11:57 AM // 11:57

And I get a permanent ban, and unable to use the appeal system?

I'll just explain what I did. In a single day lapse of judgement, I got talked into using a bot from a mate. I left it running while I went to college, came back, thought 'cool, got myself 100k'. Went to kamadan to buy stuff for heroes, and instantly noticed something - THAT WAS NOT WORTH IT. Sense of achievement was completely removed, and as such, the bot was removed from my computer.

Anyway, that was about a month or two ago when I botted for about 6 hours. It's THE ONLY offence I have EVER made in almost five years of playing.

Anyway, my question, is it REALLY fair that for a single day lapse in judgement puts 5 years of hard work to waste, when I had, quite blatantly, been a honest player if they actually reviewed the case, for over 50 months.

So much for taking previous offences/lapses into consideration, as stated on their website...

willie nelson · May 27, 2010, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood Uk

Anyway, my question, is it REALLY fair that for a single day lapse in judgement puts 5 years of hard work to waste.

Yes, it's against the rules, you broke the rules. End of.

Kumu Honua · May 27, 2010, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Yes.

There are thousands of players who never violate the EULA. You were not one of them. Maybe you should find better friends if the ones you are hanging around can convince you to cheat so easily.

Robin Hood Uk · May 27, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

Yes, it's against the rules, you broke the rules. End of.

Someone obviously didn't read the whole thread. It says on their very own website they take previous (or lack of) offences and lapses of judgement into consideration. Obviously they don't, and ironically this has all been done by a bot.

Dzjudz · May 27, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

The only responses you will get here are:
- people who botted and were banned who agree with you.
- people who did not bot and do not agree with you.

I belong to the latter category.

Zebideedee · May 27, 2010, 12:05 PM // 12:05

If you robbed a Bank 6 month ago, would that now make you innocent, even if it was your first offence?

headlesshobbs · May 27, 2010, 12:06 PM // 12:06

The bot crackdown is in effect and you've been selected. Send a ticket to support, but I don't think there's anything in your case you can do to get your account back.

Robin Hood Uk · May 27, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

If you robbed a Bank 6 month ago, would that now make you innocent, even if it was your first offence?

Think even you know they are very different scenarios.

willie nelson · May 27, 2010, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood Uk

It says on their very own website they take previous (or lack of) offences and lapses of judgement into consideration.

Didn't read, but I doubt it says you get to cheat a couple of times if you've played for a long time.

Zebideedee · May 27, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood Uk

Think even you know they are very different scenarios.

Yeah maybe an extreme comparison lol, but isn't botting in rules considered one strike and out? I can see you're point though.

Arduin · May 27, 2010, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Hm, I don't know anyone who has been banned or has botted recently, but some of these bans seems... kinda harsh. I know Anet has to be clear in their judgments. On the one hand there's the people who used bots to actively disrupt another players game in PvP time after time by using any kind of bot and there are the farmers who spent weeks using a bot to rake in ecto's. On the other hand there are the players like OP who only used a bot out of curiosity, and decided to not use it after their curiosity had been satisfied... There seems to be a degree in how much a player abused the game by using a bot.

However, I'm not Anet, and I'm glad I'm not the one who decided if a player gets banned or not.

damkel · May 27, 2010, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Sorry to hear about your ban. In all fairness, you did knowingly download and use a bot. That can't really be called a lapse in judgement. Only a lapse in foresight. On the birghtside, the GW boxset is selling pretty cheap nowadays

Zahr Dalsk · May 27, 2010, 12:23 PM // 12:23

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

Yes, it's against the rules, you broke the rules. End of.

I love how self-righteous everyone's getting about this

Akimb0 · May 27, 2010, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood Uk

And I get a permanent ban, and unable to use the appeal system?

I'll just explain what I did. In a single day lapse of judgement, I got talked into using a bot from a mate. I left it running while I went to college, came back, thought 'cool, got myself 100k'. Went to kamadan to buy stuff for heroes, and instantly noticed something - THAT WAS NOT WORTH IT. Sense of achievement was completely removed, and as such, the bot was removed from my computer.

Anyway, that was about a month or two ago when I botted for about 6 hours. It's THE ONLY offence I have EVER made in almost five years of playing.

Anyway, my question, is it REALLY fair that for a single day lapse in judgement puts 5 years of hard work to waste, when I had, quite blatantly, been a honest player if they actually reviewed the case, for over 50 months.

So much for taking previous offences/lapses into consideration, as stated on their website...

Cheating is cheating. Enjoy your ban.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I love how self-righteous everyone's getting about this

Didn't you get banned for botting as well? heh. Even if not, it's not a case of people being self-righteous, it's the simple truth. You cheated, you got banned. So I don't see why people are coming here looking for what? Sympathy? an outlet for frustration at having been caught out for cheating?

Naughty Nurse · May 27, 2010, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by damkel

On the birghtside, the GW boxset is selling pretty cheap nowadays

Dies it come with titles now? ^^

I doubt the Anet staff is going to review all 3700+ accounts banned. Only in the case that you never botted, will they make it undone. I'm not Anet and if i were you id try to get it back.

Good luck.

Godefridus · May 27, 2010, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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So much for taking previous offences/lapses into consideration, as stated on their website...

So much for thoroughly reading what they state. It's easy to only read/remember the part that suits you best. Cause at the same page they also mention that you also can get an outright account termination depending on the severity. And apparently the type of bot you used is severe enough in their opinion to warrant a full termination. So you might consider this only a minor offense because you used it only once for 6 hours, but apparently A-Net considers this type of bot as a major offense. Don't forget, it is not us players who determine how severe certain offenses are, that's at the sole discretion of A-Net.

You can always send in a report and see if they show some mercy.

But don't count on mercy from the people in this community who did withstand the greedy and lazy temptation of using bots.

pizzamonkey · May 27, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I am in pretty much the same boat as you, OP. I feel that these permabans are too harsh for simply "botting". Sure, I broke the terms of service but seriously, where is the empathetical part of all of this? Nowhere. I feel like I have been backstabbed by Anet.

Wouldn't a warning be more than enough to serve justice? If anyone continued "botting" or whatever it is that is so wrong after the warning then yes that should warrant a ban. It's not like I committed some serious crime because when all is said and done, this is just a game meant for entertainment.

It is Anet's fault for not acting sooner. If they cared enough about their original game I wouldn't have even considered trying a bot out. I really did like this game a lot before it started to sink into what it was and yet some faithful player here lost faith and went a little sour. So this is my punishment? Good job, Anet. I will not be buying any of your future products if this is how you treat your customers.

Good Bye

Eragon Zarroc · May 27, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30

be persistant with support. you may get lucky. good luck to you. do not need a thread.

Nerel · May 27, 2010, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I love how self-righteous everyone's getting about this

I love how botters are coming out of the wood work making excuses for their actions, trying to justify their mistakes and generally blaming everybody but themselves for a decision that they made.

Anet did make it very clear that botting was a serious offense, one that resulted in permanent bans... long ago they even seemed to enforce this stance with a little more vigor. Then they got soft, followed by a long period of seemingly laxness towards bot banning... and now they're back to smacking bots.

Long story short... you know that botting was a bannable offense, you CHOSE to bot anyway, you got caught... whine,cry or rage to someone that cares... namely certain bot site forums, not here.

As to the OP, if you didn't bot then you certainly could appeal to Anet, if you did bot then you got what you deserved. Consider it a dose of tough love, learn a lesson from it.

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Originally Posted by pizzamonkey

I am in pretty much the same boat as you, OP. I feel that these permabans are too harsh for simply "botting". Sure, I broke the terms of service but seriously, where is the empathetical part of all of this? Nowhere. I feel like I have been backstabbed by Anet.

Wouldn't a warning be more than enough to serve justice? If anyone continued "botting" or whatever it is that is so wrong after the warning then yes that should warrant a ban. It's not like I committed some serious crime because when all is said and done, this is just a game meant for entertainment.

It is Anet's fault for not acting sooner. If they cared enough about their original game I wouldn't have even considered trying a bot out. I really did like this game a lot before it started to sink into what it was and yet some faithful player here lost faith and went a little sour. So this is my punishment? Good job, Anet. I will not be buying any of your future products if this is how you treat your customers.

Good Bye

A warning, you wanted a warning? Read the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing USER AGREEMENT, there was your warning, it couldn't have been clearer, not that you needed a warning, you knew that you were cheating... your mistake was thinking you wouldn't get caught.

You're blaming Anet for not acting sooner? They were seemingly lax on banning bots, so that makes it okay for you to bot? Fail.

As for feeling betrayed by ArenaNet, the truth is you betrayed your agreement to ArenaNet, you betrayed every honest and decent gamer that doesn't bot, cheat or scam... it's people like you that ruin the game.

You say good bye, I say good riddance.

willie nelson · May 27, 2010, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by pizzamonkey

It is Anet's fault for not acting sooner.

No, it's yours.

Bye.